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		<title>By: Tyler Hellard</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Arjonn</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In addition, Estrada could have spoken up if he was feeling badly enough to think he should come out. Presumably, he didn&#039;t, which suggests while he may have been feeling some discomfort, it wasn&#039;t to the level of &quot;hurting&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition, Estrada could have spoken up if he was feeling badly enough to think he should come out. Presumably, he didn&#8217;t, which suggests while he may have been feeling some discomfort, it wasn&#8217;t to the level of &#8220;hurting&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kongos</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: KENII</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve never been a huge fan of John Gibbons either, but I&#039;m not sure about this article&#039;s assessment of him. Regarding the Estrada situation: it doesn&#039;t necessarily surprise me that a mediocre manager might not pick up on a pitcher&#039;s discomfort owing to the many other aspects of the game that need attention. Assuming that Gibbons really wasn&#039;t aware that Estrada was hurting, shouldn&#039;t Pete Walker have alerted John Gibbons as well? Walker is, after all, the pitching coach. In that case, wouldn&#039;t Pete Walker also deserve some blame? What about the Jays&#039; trainers? Aren&#039;t they also supposed to keep management updated about players&#039; conditions? In light of all this: if Gibbons really didn&#039;t know about Estrada hurting then either: (1) Estrada&#039;s condition was good enough to the extent that Jays&#039; support staff didn&#039;t report it to Gibbons, or (2) there are some serious communication problems among Jay&#039;s field management staff.

It does seem unlikely that John Gibbons didn&#039;t know that Estrada was hurting, so let&#039;s assume that Gibbons did know. I can&#039;t help but feel there&#039;s quite a bit of hindsight bias in the article in this regard, though. Yes, in hindsight it&#039;s easy to say that Estrada was hurting so he should have been removed before 90 pitches, especially since the Jays&#039; lost. Yet, I can also sympathize with Gibbons. His bullpen blew recent games even when they had the lead, so keeping his starting pitcher in (in spite of some pains) could have made sense at the time as a way to try something new. Perhaps Gibbons&#039; intent at the time was just to leave Estrada in for a little while longer, hoping that his offense will come alive in the meantime. Perhaps he knew Estrada was hurting, but felt he was strong enough to hold on just a little longer. &quot;90 pitches&quot; is a rather arbitrary number anyway; it&#039;s less of a standard, more of a convention, and every pitcher is different. 

To put this another way: if Estrada were removed from the game at 90 pitches, and the bullpen came in and blew the game as usual, I&#039;m sure people would be fixated on how Gibbons keeps bringing in relievers just to have them lose the game time and time again. I can just imagine people saying, &quot;why does that ignorant, incompetent field manager keep resorting to the same failing tactics? Estrada was throwing a gem; he should&#039;ve stayed in the game, etc.&quot; Alternatively, if the Jays won despite Estrada remaining in the game past 90 pitches, I&#039;m sure few would question the move even though his shoulder would just be as sore.

I&#039;d say the only way to truly assess the quality of field management decisions is to actually be there alongside the manager and assess them in real-time with the limited information, time and other resources available to them in those moments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never been a huge fan of John Gibbons either, but I&#8217;m not sure about this article&#8217;s assessment of him. Regarding the Estrada situation: it doesn&#8217;t necessarily surprise me that a mediocre manager might not pick up on a pitcher&#8217;s discomfort owing to the many other aspects of the game that need attention. Assuming that Gibbons really wasn&#8217;t aware that Estrada was hurting, shouldn&#8217;t Pete Walker have alerted John Gibbons as well? Walker is, after all, the pitching coach. In that case, wouldn&#8217;t Pete Walker also deserve some blame? What about the Jays&#8217; trainers? Aren&#8217;t they also supposed to keep management updated about players&#8217; conditions? In light of all this: if Gibbons really didn&#8217;t know about Estrada hurting then either: (1) Estrada&#8217;s condition was good enough to the extent that Jays&#8217; support staff didn&#8217;t report it to Gibbons, or (2) there are some serious communication problems among Jay&#8217;s field management staff.</p>
<p>It does seem unlikely that John Gibbons didn&#8217;t know that Estrada was hurting, so let&#8217;s assume that Gibbons did know. I can&#8217;t help but feel there&#8217;s quite a bit of hindsight bias in the article in this regard, though. Yes, in hindsight it&#8217;s easy to say that Estrada was hurting so he should have been removed before 90 pitches, especially since the Jays&#8217; lost. Yet, I can also sympathize with Gibbons. His bullpen blew recent games even when they had the lead, so keeping his starting pitcher in (in spite of some pains) could have made sense at the time as a way to try something new. Perhaps Gibbons&#8217; intent at the time was just to leave Estrada in for a little while longer, hoping that his offense will come alive in the meantime. Perhaps he knew Estrada was hurting, but felt he was strong enough to hold on just a little longer. &#8220;90 pitches&#8221; is a rather arbitrary number anyway; it&#8217;s less of a standard, more of a convention, and every pitcher is different. </p>
<p>To put this another way: if Estrada were removed from the game at 90 pitches, and the bullpen came in and blew the game as usual, I&#8217;m sure people would be fixated on how Gibbons keeps bringing in relievers just to have them lose the game time and time again. I can just imagine people saying, &#8220;why does that ignorant, incompetent field manager keep resorting to the same failing tactics? Estrada was throwing a gem; he should&#8217;ve stayed in the game, etc.&#8221; Alternatively, if the Jays won despite Estrada remaining in the game past 90 pitches, I&#8217;m sure few would question the move even though his shoulder would just be as sore.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say the only way to truly assess the quality of field management decisions is to actually be there alongside the manager and assess them in real-time with the limited information, time and other resources available to them in those moments.</p>
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		<title>By: Arjonn</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Insulting people&#039;s knowledge of baseball is a great way to prove, albeit only to yourself, that you know much more than they do and that any opinion you disagree with is invalid.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Kongos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kongos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve never been a fan of Gibbons, but this article is just unfair to the guy. He&#039;s playing in the context of a cosy clique of Cleveland cast-offs, doing the best with the bullpen arms an incompetent GM was able to provide him. 

Shapiro is waiting for Gibby to make a major enough mistake to justify replacing him with another piece of Cleveland dross, Eric Wedge. When that happens -- and I&#039;m expecting it to be in May -- this team&#039;s going to completely crash and burn.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never been a fan of Gibbons, but this article is just unfair to the guy. He&#8217;s playing in the context of a cosy clique of Cleveland cast-offs, doing the best with the bullpen arms an incompetent GM was able to provide him. </p>
<p>Shapiro is waiting for Gibby to make a major enough mistake to justify replacing him with another piece of Cleveland dross, Eric Wedge. When that happens &#8212; and I&#8217;m expecting it to be in May &#8212; this team&#8217;s going to completely crash and burn.</p>
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		<title>By: GaryB</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2016 21:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would agree IF we had a lineup of base hitters and speed. We DO NOT. How many stolen bases did we have last year? What was our hit and run success last season?  We do NOT have hitters that slap the ball. We have a lineup of long ball hitters who can hit a ton of home runs but not a lot of singles and doubles. The problem is not with Gibby it is with the hitting coach and upper management . Everyone knew we needed help in the bullpen and where is it?? Where is that power arm that can come in and get batters out with strikes? Do we put Sanchez back in the pen and suffer starting pitching?  If you look  at the other contending teams they all shored up their pen with power arms and our great GM did NOT.  Once the hitters start hitting for a better average and stop striking out as much they will drive in more runs which will help the pitchers. BUT Jays still need pen help and that is the GM&#039;s problem not Gibby.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree IF we had a lineup of base hitters and speed. We DO NOT. How many stolen bases did we have last year? What was our hit and run success last season?  We do NOT have hitters that slap the ball. We have a lineup of long ball hitters who can hit a ton of home runs but not a lot of singles and doubles. The problem is not with Gibby it is with the hitting coach and upper management . Everyone knew we needed help in the bullpen and where is it?? Where is that power arm that can come in and get batters out with strikes? Do we put Sanchez back in the pen and suffer starting pitching?  If you look  at the other contending teams they all shored up their pen with power arms and our great GM did NOT.  Once the hitters start hitting for a better average and stop striking out as much they will drive in more runs which will help the pitchers. BUT Jays still need pen help and that is the GM&#8217;s problem not Gibby.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Slobogan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Slobogan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2016 21:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Never liked Gibbons before as our Mgr, like him less now. Judging by the comments on the article people are missing the pbvious on Estrada&#039;s condition. He is arguably our best pitcher and most valuable asset. Any mgr in MLB would have noticed hom favouring his arm so many times and would have pulled him immediately. You try to protect your pitching assests at all costs even with precautions regardless how useless your bull pen is. Its early in the season and you want to take a chance on losing him for the whole year? You people know nothing about baseball just like Gibbons is clueless about managing. Great article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never liked Gibbons before as our Mgr, like him less now. Judging by the comments on the article people are missing the pbvious on Estrada&#8217;s condition. He is arguably our best pitcher and most valuable asset. Any mgr in MLB would have noticed hom favouring his arm so many times and would have pulled him immediately. You try to protect your pitching assests at all costs even with precautions regardless how useless your bull pen is. Its early in the season and you want to take a chance on losing him for the whole year? You people know nothing about baseball just like Gibbons is clueless about managing. Great article.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert John Findlay</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert John Findlay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2016 20:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gideon you need to stay on your day job looking at teeth and fixing them, your comments lack teeth.
The start of the problem last night was Martin he made a stupid stupid call with Navarro and he clobbered it, high heater gets him out he&#039;s like Yogi Berra put it low and it&#039;s gone.....Estrada gets Navarro and he&#039;s out of the inning......Yes the bats stink...Tulo looks looking at strikes, seems like a competition to see who can strike out the most.... maybe they should shut down batting practise for a couple of days...maybe it might loosen them up...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gideon you need to stay on your day job looking at teeth and fixing them, your comments lack teeth.<br />
The start of the problem last night was Martin he made a stupid stupid call with Navarro and he clobbered it, high heater gets him out he&#8217;s like Yogi Berra put it low and it&#8217;s gone&#8230;..Estrada gets Navarro and he&#8217;s out of the inning&#8230;&#8230;Yes the bats stink&#8230;Tulo looks looking at strikes, seems like a competition to see who can strike out the most&#8230;. maybe they should shut down batting practise for a couple of days&#8230;maybe it might loosen them up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Arjonn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arjonn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2016 19:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems as if the key factor with respect to Gibby is the degree to which he has the players&#039; confidence, which is difficult if not impossible for fans to assess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems as if the key factor with respect to Gibby is the degree to which he has the players&#8217; confidence, which is difficult if not impossible for fans to assess.</p>
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