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	<title>Comments on: Drew Storen Named Setup Man; A Temporary Loss for Progressive Thinking</title>
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		<title>By: Kyle Matte</title>
		<link>http://toronto.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/03/31/drew-storen-named-closer-a-win-for-progressive-thinking/#comment-147</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle Matte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2016 20:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With his changeup being his best non-fastball pitch, I think Osuna is very well equipped to get more than three outs against any handed hitters -- either in the 7th/8th when Cecil is unavailable, or in the 8th/9th if Storen isn&#039;t. Neither Cecil nor Storen offers the multi inning flexibility from the setup spot, and I&#039;m struggling to see Gibby planning on using Osuna for a 2 inning save even if one of those two is unavailable. If a situation dictates it, maybe he enters in the 8th, but I just don&#039;t think six out saves will be planned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With his changeup being his best non-fastball pitch, I think Osuna is very well equipped to get more than three outs against any handed hitters &#8212; either in the 7th/8th when Cecil is unavailable, or in the 8th/9th if Storen isn&#8217;t. Neither Cecil nor Storen offers the multi inning flexibility from the setup spot, and I&#8217;m struggling to see Gibby planning on using Osuna for a 2 inning save even if one of those two is unavailable. If a situation dictates it, maybe he enters in the 8th, but I just don&#8217;t think six out saves will be planned.</p>
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		<title>By: nberlove</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2016 17:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But in Storen, the Jays do have a second closer.  The other strategic way to use Storen and Osuna is to minimize the number of times they both pitch in a game so that one is always available.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But in Storen, the Jays do have a second closer.  The other strategic way to use Storen and Osuna is to minimize the number of times they both pitch in a game so that one is always available.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Matte</title>
		<link>http://toronto.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/03/31/drew-storen-named-closer-a-win-for-progressive-thinking/#comment-143</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle Matte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s entirely possible that Osuna will break the norm and occasionally be used in longer outings, but having Osuna pitch a 2 inning save almost guarantees he&#039;s unavailable the next day, forcing the team to have a second closer in waiting for a possible save opportunity.

I just think it&#039;s more streamlined to have your closer be the one inning guy who could pitch back to back nights, or three nights out of four, and have your setup men pitching in the more unusual, extended situations that could result in extended layoffs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s entirely possible that Osuna will break the norm and occasionally be used in longer outings, but having Osuna pitch a 2 inning save almost guarantees he&#8217;s unavailable the next day, forcing the team to have a second closer in waiting for a possible save opportunity.</p>
<p>I just think it&#8217;s more streamlined to have your closer be the one inning guy who could pitch back to back nights, or three nights out of four, and have your setup men pitching in the more unusual, extended situations that could result in extended layoffs.</p>
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		<title>By: Arjonn</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2016 14:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I don&#039;t disagree with the thinking expressed, my initial reaction is to wonder how often it&#039;s likely to matter. For one thing, how often will situations arise where the Jays will want any of their late-inning RPs to get more than three outs? For another, it seems reasonable to think that such situations might happen less often once Loup is available to come in and face one or two LHBs. 

Other RPs may factor in as well. For instance, if Sanchez winds up back in the pen, he seems like an option in 4-out situations. Or maybe Floyd turns out to be this year&#039;s Hendriks, Biagini shows he can handle more than mop-up duty, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t disagree with the thinking expressed, my initial reaction is to wonder how often it&#8217;s likely to matter. For one thing, how often will situations arise where the Jays will want any of their late-inning RPs to get more than three outs? For another, it seems reasonable to think that such situations might happen less often once Loup is available to come in and face one or two LHBs. </p>
<p>Other RPs may factor in as well. For instance, if Sanchez winds up back in the pen, he seems like an option in 4-out situations. Or maybe Floyd turns out to be this year&#8217;s Hendriks, Biagini shows he can handle more than mop-up duty, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2016 13:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alhough I too would have preferred the alternative for similar reasons, the current alignment doesn&#039;t entirely exclude progressive thinking.

For example, Gibbons showed last year he is willing to use Osuna for more than three outs, even from the &quot;closer&quot; role.  This helps in several ways.

Let&#039;s say Chavez is pitching the 7th and gets himself in trouble. Men on third and second, two outs. Jays have a one run lead.

Ideally, you bring on your best pitcher: Osuna.

In the current alignment, I&#039;d bring in Cecil vs a lefty, or Storen vs a righty. 

You then have two good options for the 8th. More likely, Cecil/Storen starts the 8th and you have Osuna ready to come on if anyone gets on base. Even better, If Osuna&#039;s well rested, you might even get him going for two innings, especially if the first batter of the 8th will have the platoon advantage vs Cecil or Storen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alhough I too would have preferred the alternative for similar reasons, the current alignment doesn&#8217;t entirely exclude progressive thinking.</p>
<p>For example, Gibbons showed last year he is willing to use Osuna for more than three outs, even from the &#8220;closer&#8221; role.  This helps in several ways.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say Chavez is pitching the 7th and gets himself in trouble. Men on third and second, two outs. Jays have a one run lead.</p>
<p>Ideally, you bring on your best pitcher: Osuna.</p>
<p>In the current alignment, I&#8217;d bring in Cecil vs a lefty, or Storen vs a righty. </p>
<p>You then have two good options for the 8th. More likely, Cecil/Storen starts the 8th and you have Osuna ready to come on if anyone gets on base. Even better, If Osuna&#8217;s well rested, you might even get him going for two innings, especially if the first batter of the 8th will have the platoon advantage vs Cecil or Storen.</p>
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